September 30, 2010
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“A prank gone wrong”
I would really like to know how you justify this as “a prank gone wrong.” I’m talking about the death of the gay college student, of course.
If the generation of today believes this is just a prank gone wrong, I am truly afraid for the future of humanity. Filming someone else having sex without their consent is NOT a prank, no matter if they’re gay, straight, transgendered, or anything else. It’s a disgusting invasion of privacy. Like I saw someone else say, a prank is someone putting shaving cream in your hand when you’re sleeping, NOT filming someone having sex.
Let’s play a little imagination game. Think if this guy was straight and he was having sex with a female. Not a big deal for the guy, right? Yay, right? Because so many guys are pigs. But think about the female. SHE would be devastated. SHE might be the one committing suicide. See how the tables are turned?
However, this story IS about the guy being gay. It’s a scary thing when you’re gay. It’s hard. The fact that he hadn’t told people yet says a lot because that means he wasn’t comfortable with it yet. He might not have been comfortable with himself.
For the people who are saying it’s his fault for committing suicide, you can go fuck yourself. Have you ever had such a secret that was revealed to the world in such a manner? You can’t speak for his frame of mind and how he was feeling about this.
I have more to say, but the more I think about it, the more mad I get.
*ANY hateful comments WILL be deleted.*
Comments (33)
Yes. This right here.
Sheesh. This is rough. I hadn’t heard anything about it yet.
I just… I just can’t say anything except AMEN.
I’m so effing pissed and hurt and sad right now…
props
This whole thing is just so sad.
@vanedave - It’s very sad. Dan’s post has a link to an article about it.
it is rought thed shold hold the ppls wespone for make the vido
In the past 15 days 4 LGBT youths have commited suicide.
This country has got to wake up.
Here is just one of those 4 young lives lost: http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/
Agreed.
@secretsandliesforever - I had heard a little bit about that story, but I didn’t know the whole story. It’s just so tragic. Something needs to happen here.
it was not a prank gone bad. i feel they had a hand in his death and not just an “invasion in privacy”. though he may have been a little unstable to begin with, this was way past being funny. and i agree with you if it had been a heterosexual couple not only would it think about the woman but the man too. it doesnt matter who was having sex or with whom they were having sex with. it was not up to them to brodcast it. they were doing a prvt. act in a prvt area and no one has the right to butt in and then brodcast it. 4 lives (at least) were damgaed by the insensativty of 2 people. so sad. just oh so sad.
@crazy2love - I can’t even put into words just how sad I am for my community. For my country. For the families involved. I just don’t get it. It’s murder if you ask me. Plain and simple. It’s like they were yelling at these people to pull the trigger. They were made to feel worthless and hopeless… I just can’t even imagine.
I’m just glad none of you are going to be on the jury, or serve on the prosecution team, or be the judge in this case.
Am I being too hateful?
Yes this is not just a “prank.” It’s horrific what has happened…..
That sucks that people are so dumb to think that prank is supposed to be funny, not a prank just evil.. and someone committing suicide is unfortunately their decision and business but, I just can’t bring myself to agree with suicide as an alternative to deal with things. So many people are hurt now because of his decision. He could have found a more difficult but more sound way of handling it. Suicide hits home with me, I have lost people and seen families go crazy because of it. Not a fan.
@secretsandliesforever - hmmm
@ctaretz - Sometimes people feel like there’s no way out. I have no idea about this guys certain situation as far as how “out” he was. But if this video was seen by family members that didn’t know about him it could have been devastating and he didn’t know how to handle it.
I don’t agree with suicide. I don’t. But I absolutely can understand how these individuals were driven to that decision.
@seeker_nyc - I don’t think it’s hateful… I’d just like an explanation to your comment. I hadn’t said anything about 5 years in prison not being enough. In this post I’m talking about the moral issues, not the legal ramifications for the actions of the 2 students. Hateful would be something like, “Yeah, that cocksucker deserved what he got” or some such thing… which I won’t tolerate.
@ctaretz - Look, I know that people are hurt when someone commits suicide. But I know what it’s like to BE suicidal. For about 7 years. Every day. In the back of my mind, I knew that people love me. But that’s not what kept me alive. It was the shred of hope I held onto… the hope that one day, things will be better. I know it’s hard for people to grasp what it feels like if they’ve never experienced it. But depression and suicide is a very, very dark place, and it’s hard to understand it if you’ve never been there. It’s like everything is stripped away from you, and you have nothing. It’s terrifying, and yes, I can see how people can do this to themselves.
@crazy2love - 18 year-olds are at the age where they’re legally allowed to do everything except buy/or consume alcohol. They can go to war and vote. But a person’s brain isn’t fully developed until the late 20s. That means their reasoning abilities are not quite all there yet. So to hold Ravi and Wei morally responsible for this kid’s death is a kinda tricky. How do you know they knew their classmate and roommate would kill himself because of the video?
@crazy2love - I would never say anything I myself haven’t felt or experienced once or twice, you have been one of my first friends on here I have written about some of my experiences about being to hell and back. You must have forgotten… 36 now, about double your age, I’ve made it this far because I did things easily.Got love fro you and I hope you stay with us I enjoy reading and learning about you.
@seeker_nyc - Yes, holding them morally responsible IS tricky. If they would have known he was going to kill himself, or even had an inkling that he would, they probably wouldn’t have done it. After all, they deleted their tweets and FB statuses when they found out he had jumped off the bridge. However, on some level, they had to have known what they were doing was wrong. What I’m saying is that if they think it’s okay to play this kind of “prank,” there’s something really wrong with society if they think it’s okay on any level. We need to keep asking “why” until we get to the root cause of how these 2 students could think this was okay to film their classmate having sex. (Sorry if this isn’t making much sense… I’m all messed up on cold medication and I feel like my head is going to explode :/)
@crazy2love - what’s wrong with saying it was a prank gone wrong? It doesn’t morally exculpate anyone from the fact that their actions precipitated this kid’s suicide. But it was a prank. It doesn’t mean pranks are okay. All pranks on some level are wrong.
That is not a prank gone wrong and it really isn’t a prank. That is more of a way to torture someone then pull a prank on them. What in the heck is our world coming to these days?
This is insanity. This makes me ashamed to be a human.
this is not a hateful comment
What a sad story this was.
I honestly believe that this is a prank gone wrong. They tried to find a cheap laugh by instigating reaction. Sounds like a prank.
However, with that said, I’m worried about the lack of respect and understanding of other people that seems to be prominent on the internet these days. Emotionally, I want these two asses to go to jail or perform some form of community service. Probably bring them into some kind of help group to show them the effects of bullying and “pranking”.
It’s a shame, that chick involved is pretty cute. She won’t fare well in prison.
What makes me mad is that everybody is making a big deal because he’s gay. The fact is the kid would have broadcasted the stream regardless if he was gay or not. and then he just took it a lot harder than anybody would have expected. People are trying to criminalize him for hating on a gay person when [the other kids] sexual orientation had nothing to do with the crime he’s being tried for. (pornography without consent).
i prefer my pranks with a little more spice, like hooking a car battery up to a doorknob then ringing the doorbell.. ahhh good times.. anyway. as to this little episode im a bit conflicted. not about the actions, no, it’s impossible to condone what was done. im conflicted about the 3rd party.
now, i wouldnt really be too upset to hear about this ravi dude getting lynched in the quad by an angry mob, you get what you pay for. but im wondering just how involved this female friend was. was she complicit in the act or did she just let this deush bag use her computer? one school of thought would be that they were friends so of course he told her what he was doing, but by the same token, they were friends, so she would have trusted him and not necessarily asked him what he was up to. i also find it interesting that the article specifically mentions that he was released from jail but makes no mention of her, implying that she is still being held. so im left to wonder if she was an active participant or just another person that is being brought down in this assholes wake.
I don’t want to say it was his fault, but you can’t completely blame the other people involved. Obviously this kid wasn’t stable to begin with and, like I said on Dan’s page, unless the person filming it knew that, all he did was invade privacy. I’m not in any way saying that what he did was okay, but I don’t think it’s his fault the kid killed himself. I’m sure there were many other things that led him to suicide. Healthy people don’t kill themselves period. He definitely had a lot more going on that made him suicidal.
I spent twenty years in the army. when I was a young soldier living in the barracks, we played lots of pranks and practical jokes on each other–some pretty rough ones. But never anything like this. We were mischievous, but we were not twisted degenerates.
Having said that, I think I’d have to agree with bettinatron’s remarks. The invasion of privacy was shameful, and the perps should be punished. But I think nothing justifies suicide.